OUR CONCLUSION




	Let us start our conclusion of where our belief stands on Mac Arthur, Bob Johnson and John Coleman, with this statement by J Vernon Mc Gee; “THE ENTIRE VISIBLE CHURCH WILL END IN COMPLETE UTTER RUIN AND APOSTASY!” Now that may not be word for word, but pretty darn close as we recall. We don’t agree with much of J. Vernon’s dispensational view of scripture, but we sure do agree with that statement! In fact, we believe that the evidence overwhelmingly bares out this reality, the visible church is a complete ruin! We believe there are those who refuse to believe this and will make excuses for every error, trying to justify the continual exhortation they spew, that everyone must find a good “church” and submit themselves to it’s leaders. Well, we have not found a “good church”, we gave up along time ago and just determined in our minds and hearts to be “the church” rather than trying to find a church and adapt to the errors, sin, preaching and teaching lacking the Spirit of God. We truly desire true fellowship with the Saints of the most high God, but we will not sin, compromise, submit to any other spirit other than the Holy Spirit that testifies of Jesus Christ, rather than himself. This reality makes us the vessels of scorn by the very people who are offended by the idea that we won’t submit to their spirit, so therefore we must be proud, a religious spirit, a Pharisee and the accusations from shallow people continue! The scriptures report “a spiritual man is judged by no man”; we are therefore continually an offense to anyone who makes a failed attempt at rebuking us, because we can see through it, we are not fooled nor pressured by public opinion, but we walk in the fear of God alone! We desperately desire those who are MORE SPIRITUAL, to rebuke and restore us who are less spiritual, since we have not had the fortune to receive any such Godly wisdom, we are left alone in this earth, we can only suppose that we must be more spiritual, what else should we think! We believe the scriptures that teach us about the treasures of God that we should seek first and truly desire to be everything that God wants us to be. The hard part for us is when we claim that we know Truth by the Spirit of God, that we seem to know exclusively! If indeed this is understood by others or revealed to them, they are so few that we can’t seem to connect with them, we do feel alone. Yet we believe that true Christians walk by faith and trust the Lord Jesus as the captain of their salvation, therefore in the end they shall not be ashamed. For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. (Isa 66:2 av) Among the things that we know the Lord has shown us, is the utter pride and folly with those who trust in their education to save themselves, they trust in their education to understand scripture, rather than trusting in the Lord and the administration of the Holy Spirit in their lives to lead them to truth; this is from an Antichrist spirit, in place of Christ. We believe that John Mac Arthur is just such an individual, he is puffed up in his pride, spoiled by vain philosophy, and loves the praise of men rather than the praise that comes from God alone. Many people believe he is a great teacher, because they fail to understand the work of God and what he is doing today, they are living in the past, yet this is not the past anymore. We believe that the way is far straighter than reported by the “Apostasy Watchers” of this day and far more narrow; that is why we rebuke them! We do not hate them, nor do we know that they are lost, we only know that it is time for them to stop hiding behind false humility and answer our concerns with the Wisdom of God, rather than proudly ignoring us according to the wisdom and precepts of men; we ask for no special treatment or favors other than the those given to any true believer by scripture. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Ac 17:30 av) John Mac Arthur in place of Christ briefly listed! We are not going to prove it point by point, although we could, let’s just list our reasons. 1) Promotion of titles contrary to scripture, “Doctor”. 2) The shear arrogance to name a school “Masters Seminary” and accept the authority to rule it, chief Theologian, Doctor John Mac Arthur. 3) The authoritarian nicolaitan rule with which Grace to you Church is controlled by, accepting the mantle handed down by his earthly father as though “the church” is just another kingdom who’s kings are royal and who’s sons are princes, shutting down opposition thru worldly means, according to the wisdom of this world, doing the work that any pragmatic political hack of this world would engage in, for their own promotion and glory. 4) John Mac Arthur’s selective way of rebuke, he says to the rich man, come sit here in this high seat and to the poor man, “come sit here at my footstool”; won’t disassociate himself with apostates like Al Mohler, John Mac Arthur is a harlot and the companion of thieves! Anyone care to prove that Mac Arthur didn’t charge a group of men money to go golfing with them or that he doesn’t constantly try to sell another product every time he gets a chance ? 5) John Mac Arthur’s upholding of “Calvin style preaching” rather than the foolishness of preaching as recorded in scripture, replacing the foolishness that God has chosen for the wisdom of this world. 6) John Mac Arthur’s stand for a so called “Apostolic succession” , in the Catholic church it is referred to as “Papal succession”. Notice the words of Fred Butler, big shot GCC insider, he claims that John Coleman is not a legitimate Pastor because he left the apostate church he was not longer welcome in! His exact words can be found here. Boils down to nothing more than “Papal succession” in Protestant clothes. Please care to tell me where the reformers got their approval, huh? Fred? They sure weren’t approved by the established church of their time! As it written “the doctrine of the Scribes and Pharisees is hypocrisy”! Fred, the Reformers called the institution that they departed from “Babylon, The Mother of Harlots”, We call the Protestant churches that we have departed from “The Daughters of the Harlot” and we do instruct others to “come out of her and be ye separate says the Lord”! You just keep that up Fred, keep on telling everyone how illegitimate we are, while we bear good fruit and continue to point out your bad fruit! As it is written in scripture “You shall know them by their fruits”, not by their approval from men, because that which is approved of men is an abomination unto God! We also find it strangely hypocritical that this so called “illegitimate Pastor John Coleman” is listed and linked to at a good many sites of people that would probably agree with Fred, yet these same people would not link to our site and would claim the same thing about us, that we are illegitimate! You know, we smell the stink of hypocrisy and unfaithfulness here, two bit harlotry! Yes it is time to repent Grace Church, your time is running out, you better humble yourselves and listen to this simple man, you are puffed up in your pride and God is against you! Can you just read Isaiah chapter 28 & 29, it’s about you Grace Community Church, you are among the drunkards of Ephraim, you want me to expound these truths to you, can’t you plainly see this testimony of the Lord against you? Is Grace Community Church Purpose Driven? We are honest people and this is what we believe. When we heard these audio clips we had the tendency to accept them as true because we already have our problems with John Mac Arthur, as we have previously stated, so we weren’t surprised. We also would like to note that the Mac Arthurites would listen to the audio clips by John Coleman and Bob Johnson and summarily throw them out as frauds, because they wanted to believe that it was all about nothing, keeping their idols erected in their hearts. First, before we go any farther, we should admit that we are not experts on “The Purpose Driven Model”, we have never read any books for or against and we don’t plan to, we have attended one Dean Gotcher conference, and will probably not attend another. Our simple way of viewing “Purpose Driven” is found in the name given, “Purpose Driven”. We see “Purpose Driven” as just a cleverly put together tool to get other people to do what you want to fulfill your evil purpose, that ultimately brings glory to yourself rather than God. “Purpose Driven” , “Quality Management”, “Communitarianism”, “Dialectic Processes” are just tools that are useful to wicked men of this world to achieve their own lustful desires, to achieve their own glory and kingdom here on earth. These tools make rich the wicked business men, salesmen, lawyers, politicians and religious leaders of this world. You know the dirty little secret is the institutions of “visible Christianity” has always flirted with “Purpose Driven”, it is nothing more than pragmatism in wicked men who refuse to walk by faith and suffer for the sake of Christ. By their public confession, trying to make “their churches” more relevant and hip to the culture, trying to appeal to whatever culture they need to attract the type of church members they wish to appeal to, they confess publicly their shame of Christ, by their actions, they deny Jesus! You see there is also pragmatism in some old folks church that want to appeal to the old people, that is no different than appealing to any group of people, this is also “Purpose Driven” of a kind. A Church, the Ekklesia, is Christ and him crucified, the body of Jesus Christ, the poor saints who love not their lives unto death, a light unto the world; “and they shall know you are my disciples by your love one for another”. What does Grace Community Church represent to the world, certainly not the poor saints, who fear and tremble as they read the Word of God, no, they represent a proud big shot named “Dr. Mac Arthur” who is so smart and brilliant that he doesn’t even need Jesus to save him, he can just exegete his way to truth, a people who despise the weak things of the world and persecute the poor saints of God, that which God has chosen! So is GCC Purpose Driven, of course they are, just at a different stage towards that objective than Saddleback. The simple wisdom of the matter is this, you cannot succeed with applying only part of the wisdom of this world and reaching back in the corner every so often for the Wisdom of God, you must go with one or the other. Mark my words, Grace Community Church will either fail, go complete “Purpose Driven” or repent! The wisdom behind this simple truth of scripture? “what you Christians loose on earth will be loosed in heaven, what you Christians bind on earth shall be bound in heaven” and “our fight is not against flesh and blood but against powers and wickedness in high places”. Christians have been loosing these wicked things for years and their sins have reached critical mass before God and the end result is “Purpose Driven”, “Communitarianism” and the judgment, reaping the fruits of your labors, even death! Now with respect to Bob Johnson, it doesn’t seem that everything he is saying can be proven by the facts. We sure would have liked to see a little more hands on approach, like attending Grace Community Church for a while, participating in their bible studies, tasting the fruit a little, it does seem that on some points there was a rush to judgment on Bob’s part. Do we believe that Al Mohler is a know UN change agent? Nah, we just think he is another pragmatic harlot of this world! We might add that calling a person you disagree with names, rather than addressing the issues, is a tactic of this world and does not demonstrate Godly Wisdom. Maybe Bob knows something that we don’t, but I can assure you that believing that Al Mohler is a UN Change agent, will not change our judgment in the matter, so why does it matter? We didn’t read the materials on Bob Johnson’s web site, we don’t need to be overwhelmed with things we have no way of confirming or desire to confirm, to see the wisdom of God on the matter, our approach is quite simple and very scriptural. Do we think that John Mac Arthur is knowingly driving “his church” purpose driven? Nah, I just think he is another pragmatic harlot of the world and he has no idea of what his compromises are leading to! Hey who knows, we could be wrong, but we are certainly not wrong about our rebukes of GCC, headed by the emperor who only appears to have clothes of righteousness! And a little note to John Coleman: hey John, these guys have thrown you overboard, you are now just as illegitimate as we are, take off that robe John, just be another brother to the brothers, make sure Jesus is Lord in their lives! John, there is no throne with these guys, identify with men of low estate, like us, you are not Mac Arthur’s friend John, if you were anything, you were useful and now you are not anymore, join the outcasts John, the outcasts are all dwelling in the cave with King David, God’s chosen! Saul’s days are numbered! Sincerely Robert Begnaud